PFU Topre Limited Edition Realforce R2 TKL tenkeyless keyboard review and photos

#51
My R2 has arrived some time ago. I had only brief experience with it so far but long enough to know that it is a step-up to my EK all 45 RealForce. Very happy with the purchase so far. Now that I have found an easy way to get it direct from Japan I am very tempted to also get all 55g silent R2 TKL. As people swear that 55g is the way to go to experience Topre.

R2 silent is smoother to bottom out and the sound is even better. There is more chocolatey feel to typing then on my R1. It might be purely due to silencing part but whatever it is I like it better.

Cheers
I think it's a vocal minority that swears those 55g domes are the best thing ever, but I definitely wasn't a fan. It just felt heavier and mushier at the same time. Some of the Topre magic was gone.
 
#52
I am getting seriously addicted to the R2 PFU edition :)

The next step for me will be to silence my R1 TKL EK ed. to see if they will end up the same in typing experience or maybe not afterall?

That is very interesting what you say about all 55g. I think I will have to try it for myself to form my own opinion but I will not be rushing with it.

Cheers
 
#53
Hello everyone,

First of all excuse me if I make any English mistake since it's not my mother tongue.

I purchased a brand new Topre Realforce R2 PFU limited edition (R2TLSA-US4-BK-L) with grey and blue keycaps (apaprently it was made with or for Leopold but it's still a Realforce).

It's awesome and silent but I only have one problem with it, I don't know if it's a defect of my particular unit or not.

In fact the right half of the space bar is silent but when I hit it on its left side, it makes a bit of a clacky sound. In short; the space bar is not consistent. It's not bothering me when I'm typing since I use my right thumb to hit space, but when I'm gaming it is a bit noisy since I use my left thumb to jump, which is a shame for such a silent keyboard. I will upload a video of it on youtube today.

I asked the seller on ebay (widebasket) about it and he replied :

"According to the manufacturer, it was Normal.
The long key (Enter, Backspace, Shit ..) of this keyboard has the stabilizers with a plastic cylinder and a steel fixture.
In the stabilizer, there may be a fricative sound when you press the space bar.
Therefore it is structural, not defective.
The other keyboards are the same. "

He also told me that it was not just sepcific to the limited editions models made for Leopold since the only thing that they changed is the color of the keycaps.

It's not that I don't trust him, but I wanted to have confirmation from people who already own the same model. Thanks :)

PS : that forums looks awesome by the way, I'm slowly becoming a keyboard addict :)

Marc
 
#54
Hello everyone,

First of all excuse me if I make any English mistake since it's not my mother tongue.

I purchased a brand new Topre Realforce R2 PFU limited edition (R2TLSA-US4-BK-L) with grey and blue keycaps (apaprently it was made with or for Leopold but it's still a Realforce).

It's awesome and silent but I only have one problem with it, I don't know if it's a defect of my particular unit or not.

In fact the right half of the space bar is silent but when I hit it on its left side, it makes a bit of a clacky sound. In short; the space bar is not consistent. It's not bothering me when I'm typing since I use my right thumb to hit space, but when I'm gaming it is a bit noisy since I use my left thumb to jump, which is a shame for such a silent keyboard. I will upload a video of it on youtube today.

I asked the seller on ebay (widebasket) about it and he replied :

"According to the manufacturer, it was Normal.
The long key (Enter, Backspace, Shit ..) of this keyboard has the stabilizers with a plastic cylinder and a steel fixture.
In the stabilizer, there may be a fricative sound when you press the space bar.
Therefore it is structural, not defective.
The other keyboards are the same. "

He also told me that it was not just sepcific to the limited editions models made for Leopold since the only thing that they changed is the color of the keycaps.

It's not that I don't trust him, but I wanted to have confirmation from people who already own the same model. Thanks :)

PS : that forums looks awesome by the way, I'm slowly becoming a keyboard addict :)

Marc
Welcome to TH and the hobby, Marc (y)

All Topre spacesbars have some rattle, it's pretty normal. They just need some lube, which unfortunately isn't a very straightforward process.

If it really bothers you there's ways to fix it.


As a rough guide, here's someone doing it do a HHKB:
 
#55
Welcome to TH and the hobby, Marc (y)

All Topre spacesbars have some rattle, it's pretty normal. They just need some lube, which unfortunately isn't a very straightforward process.

If it really bothers you there's ways to fix it.


As a rough guide, here's someone doing it do a HHKB:
Thanks for the video :)

Here's my video of how my space bar sounds, do you confirm that your R2 PFU's space bar sounds like that too ?
 
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#56
Thanks for the video :)

Here's my video of how my space bar sounds, do you confirm that your R2 PFU's space bar sounds like that too ?
That almost seems like it's not seated evenly (higher on the right). Try firmly pressing it downwards on each end to see if it makes any difference?
 
#57
That almost seems like it's not seated evenly (higher on the right). Try firmly pressing it downwards on each end to see if it makes any difference?
It did not make any difference... I noticed that the space bar's key stabilizer on the left is maybe a tiny bit lower than the one on the right, maybe the problem originates there... I don't know how to fix it and don't want to disassemble the keyboard and void warranty.

Edit : it was probably a key stabilizer inconsistency, as the left side of it sat lower than the right side. I did not want to disassemble the board, so the seller kindly accepted a return with a refund. I ended up ordering the white version on Amazon.com.

Thanks for your help !

Edit 2 : just received the white one from Amazon, no space bar noise ! Yay ! This keyboard is like butter. I noticed a little bit of positive difference while gaming with APC on minimum. If you're a typist and a gamer, honestly, don't hesitate. In my opinion the Topre switch sound even better when it's silenced, your hear the "thock" more.
 
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#58
i just read the review on DT and went googling looking for other opinions .. this write up is awesome.. really nice pics.. i respect the tear down.
i did the same with my FC660C and never got it 100% again .. ended up splitting all the domes.. that made things worse.. ahh well will try again in the futere.. btw there are a couple negatives i read on DT that 100% made sense to me and in fact where points that would make me not buying it..
not that i ever would i'm to much in love with the tada68 form factor.. as i use a mouse and trackpad right and left of my keyboard don't have room for anything more then a 68key board..
here is the review.. note the negatives..
https://deskthority.net/viewtopic.php?f=45&t=20816

my first comment this is how i found this forum. bin a member of DT and GH .. never heard of this place before.. bin busy lately not so active perhaps that's the reason..
 
#59
i just read the review on DT and went googling looking for other opinions .. this write up is awesome.. really nice pics.. i respect the tear down.
i did the same with my FC660C and never got it 100% again .. ended up splitting all the domes.. that made things worse.. ahh well will try again in the futere.. btw there are a couple negatives i read on DT that 100% made sense to me and in fact where points that would make me not buying it..
not that i ever would i'm to much in love with the tada68 form factor.. as i use a mouse and trackpad right and left of my keyboard don't have room for anything more then a 68key board..
here is the review.. note the negatives..
https://deskthority.net/viewtopic.php?f=45&t=20816

my first comment this is how i found this forum. bin a member of DT and GH .. never heard of this place before.. bin busy lately not so active perhaps that's the reason..
Good summary. I agree with most points, but would never expect Topre to have QMK style program-ability, and 99% of people don't care about detachable cords. 😉
 
#60
Good summary. I agree with most points, but would never expect Topre to have QMK style program-ability, and 99% of people don't care about detachable cords. 😉
Hi TC,
well i don't know about 99% of people *LoL* but i can talk for my own use case.. and i have a couple of boards that i switch and use on the go.
so being able to disconnect and reconnect quickly without having to go behind my monitor build in USB-hub is rather nice and very convenient.
That said i do recal a full aluminium custom case for the other TKL topre realforce board that had a feature lots of people liked and that was a detachable cable..
i do however agree with your point about the QMK style program ability .. Mear mention of that to companies even a starting one seems to invoke an instant barier. case in point i mentioned this the guys from Wooting when they started and rather than use a opensource running project they wanted to start from scratch and build their own software.. seems the opensource nature doesnt sit well with most.. also i do understand the dificutly with using and adapting the software..

But fear not that's why we have Hasu controllers i rather like my hasu controller for my FC660C i think for anything smaller then TKL it's a must..
come to think about it.. if i was the owner of this board i would not mind a hasu controler for $35 hahaha.. adding functionality for such a low price seems like a no brainer to me..
I do think we should not loose perspective this board is for a niche within a niche. When i told my friend i bought my second Tada68 because the price is right and it lets me do what i want with the kits.. they all thought i was crazy calling a $170 alu keyboard budget .. Never mind a $324 keyboard hahahaa..
Listing to enthusiasts the likes of TopClack talk about their build and what is considered budget versus mid level vs higher tier.. i think this board falls in the middle.. so as i said it's for niche people like us that can appreciate the board for what it is..

again impressive right-up and even more impressive pics and tear down.. after reading your review and seeing your pics i instantly subscribed to this forum without knowing anything about it.. ahhahah

Congrats on a fine board..
 
Likes: TC
#61
well i don't know about 99% of people *LoL* but i can talk for my own use case.. and i have a couple of boards that i switch and use on the go.
so being able to disconnect and reconnect quickly without having to go behind my monitor build in USB-hub is rather nice and very convenient.
I can certainly appreciate that as being useful, but I think the number of people wanting detachable cables is insignificant when counted against the Realforce sales figures.

Still enjoying the R2 as a daily here. Almost the perfect board for me.
 
#63
Great review! I really appreciate all of the pictures and details. Do you happen to know if the new R2 6.25u spacebar uses the same stabilizer spacing as the original Realforce 87u (95mm) or the standard Cherry MX bottom row (100mm)?
 
#65
Does anyone know how to access the menu key ("right click") on the right windows key? Do you need to hit Fn and the right windows key? Thanks
 
#67
I own a RealForce 87U with 55g's. How different is the R2? The reason I want to sell my old board is that my Mac keeps disconnecting from it after I changed computers. So I was thinking the new R2 might have improved communication with my new iMac. But what is the difference with typing experience? I'll probably stick with the 55g's because they do work well, although I've always wanted to try 45g's. Thanks for your advice.
 
#68
I was in similar situation to you as to buying a second Topre (however for different reasons, just needed a 2nd one in my life :D) and had same dilema. My first one is all 45g 87u and I was wondering should I get 55g this time as I always wanted to try it. But in the end i like 45 so much that I went with all 45g again however this time silenced (PFU limited).

I do not know if is is silencing part or just R2 or the fact that my 87U has hundred of hours of typing on the clock but the R2 Limited PFU 45g is smoother to type on, more buttery.

I still need to silence my 87U but once I do I will have one variable out of the equation.

You cannot go wrong with 45g IMHO, especially if you use the keyboard extensively - your finger joints will thank you.

Cheers
 
#69
Yeah, I think I need to at least try the 45's. It's hard to buy another keyboard and not at least try something a little different. I also think, from the pics, that the R2 is a bit better looking too. How do you like the keycaps on the R2? It seem like one should at least change the arrow keys to another color!
 
#70
I have no complains about the key caps. They are of high quality and better then any other keybaord I used over the decades. I am purist so I keep it stock. I like the stealth look of all black on black.

I like the smaller footprint of the R2 over 87U it is also a bit more modern looking because of it, which goes well with my other gear on the desk.

To put it simple there is nothing better about my 87U in compare to R2 and there is many points where it falls short. To name the few (where R2 PFU is better): Silencing, size, perceived smoothness (no matter real or not hahaha), APC, keyboards leds, aesthetics, software, multimedia buttons, better box ( ;) ).....

The only thing I would like it to have which it does not is removable cable as I sometimes like to switch to other keyboard for gaming and it is pain in the back side without detachable cable.

Even more so I would be happy to pay double to get it in wireless.

Happy typing :)

EDIT: I have ordered (ages ago) the new production Model F. Lets see if it can be any competition to Topre. I realize it will be completely different typing experience to Topre but lets see :). I was using Model F keyboards back in the day when they were just "normal" (they were never normal) keyboards and I loved them, but back them there was nothing to compare :). I guess I am about to make a full circle, back to beginning.
 
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#71
Thank you very much for your opinion on this. Glad to hear the R2 is a lot nicer than my 87U. I can buy the R2 for about $250 and sell the 87U for about $175, so that's pretty good for a $75 upgrade. (especially considering it might fix my USB communication issue!) I don't like black because I need to see the keys. I do touch type so black Is no big deal, but for video editing, you end up using the keyboard like a set of switches where you kind of hunt and peck the right button. Black makes that too hard. As far as your non-removable cable, I suggest getting a USB hub and put it near your keyboard, so you can easily swap out the cable, right near the keyboard. Or get a USB switch and leave them both plugged in all the time and just hit the switch. Thanks again. I'm going for a white 45g version as soon as I can track one down.
 
#72
One more thing better about R2 in compare to 87u - I believe R2 has PBT space bar while it is ABS for 87U (as the only ABS button on the board).

Saying all of the above (over the last few posts) keep in mind that they are virtually the same keyboards, with very similar typing experience. The difference is in the details witch I started to appreciate over time. When I first started using R2 it was not much that different from 87u in terms of experience and it still is not that different (I loved the silencing part straight away). But all those small things which I mentioned previously add up, and you start to appreciate them and in the end it makes for, at least for me, a much better experience as I get more out of the keyboard then I was ever able to do with 87u by having media buttons, APC adjustment, which at the beginning I thought was just a gimmick but again it grew on me, modern look (also slightly better USB cable). On highest actuation point I basically cannot type as it is too sensitive for me but it is really good for gaming. Not as good as red switches but good enough that 7/10 times I cannot be bothered switching to my HyperX FPS TKL.

I think it is worth it, and I would buy it again in a heart beat.
 
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#73
I have the RBG version with 103 size, man I would love one of these TKL boards but think in the low light might not be so good?

Q: Is the silent switch much better than a lubed normal RBG version?

Cheers from New Zealand
 
#74
I have the RBG version with 103 size, man I would love one of these TKL boards but think in the low light might not be so good?

Q: Is the silent switch much better than a lubed normal RBG version?

Cheers from New Zealand
I believe RGB version has MX compatible stems? I would imagine it will have slightly different feel to RealForce only on this basis.

And in terms of legends - yes in low light conditions you will not be able to read them. You still have an option to go for grey with black legends.

Cheers
 
#75
I believe RGB version has MX compatible stems? I would imagine it will have slightly different feel to RealForce only on this basis.

And in terms of legends - yes in low light conditions you will not be able to read them. You still have an option to go for grey with black legends.

Cheers
Roger that,

Any hints that a silent RBG TKL migght be coming from Fujitsu?

Cheers
 

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