PFU Topre Limited Edition Realforce R2 TKL tenkeyless keyboard review and photos

#30
Looks great guys (y) Welcome to the club. How are you liking the feel of it?

It is a hard colour to photograph correctly, cameras will sometimes overexpose the keycaps making it appear brighter.
 
#31
Size comparison. R2 SE TKL, Leopold FC980C, R2 SE Full.
If they make a Leo upgraded to R2 SE specs, that would probably be my end game.

I own, cough, 11 Topre boards. The new R2's are by far the best feeling to me. If you do not want silenced, its between the hhk2 and FC980C.
 

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#33
A few early observations of the R2 TKL limited edition:
- super smooth switches as we've come to expect
- there is an annoying sort of schlick sound on the upstroke which i worked out is from the spring bouncing/brushing/grinding against itself in the dome as it uncoils
- the stabilizers *need* relubing - space bar was pretty yukky sounding until I relubed it and got it sounding much thockier
- getting the domes to align when you remount the pcb is a massive PITA - I guess the best way is to seat the domes and springs in the slider bowls themselves while the kbd is held upside down between two books? Do they really need 34 screws to keep the pcb in place?

Is there any way to get rid of that spring uncoiling sound?

 
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- getting the domes to align when you remount the pcb is a massive PITA - I guess the best way is to seat the domes and springs in the slider bowls themselves while the kbd is held upside down between two books? Do they really need 34 screws to keep the pcb in place?
It definitely needs the screws or the action starts to feel more mushy bottoming out.

I've seen weird problems crop up when people only supported larger boards from two edges. It can introduce a very slight bend to the steel plate which potentially affects dome alignment.

At least going by your videos, those noises seem pretty normal? is this a board that's already been opened? Try typing on it for a while. If that doesn't help, you could check spring/dome alignment.
 
#35
It definitely needs the screws or the action starts to feel more mushy bottoming out.

I've seen weird problems crop up when people only supported larger boards from two edges. It can introduce a very slight bend to the steel plate which potentially affects dome alignment.

At least going by your videos, those noises seem pretty normal? is this a board that's already been opened? Try typing on it for a while. If that doesn't help, you could check spring/dome alignment.
Hi TC

I'm just trying to work out if the spring noise is normal or not - all the springs were exactly the same and it didnt make any difference if I lifted the domes up and fiddled around with the springs or not.
 
#36
Hi TC

I'm just trying to work out if the spring noise is normal or not - all the springs were exactly the same and it didnt make any difference if I lifted the domes up and fiddled around with the springs or not.
For the first video that's definitely normal, they don't sound the same outside of their housings.
In the second video, that's pretty much how my keys sound. I think it's alright 👍
 
#37
Cool, makes sense. I inspected it really closely and it seemed fine, I guess I just wasn't used to that spring noise as I've never owned any topre board before. It's really grown on me, now that I lubed all the stabs it sounds super thoccy. Only problem is that my wife has taken it from me for hew own use...
 
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#40
Hey guys do you know where I can get keycaps that aren’t black on black that are topre stem compatible (I don’t want to change sliders)? My wife doesn’t like the black on black as she can’t see the keys as easily as she’d like. Thank you!
 
#41
Hey guys do you know where I can get keycaps that aren’t black on black that are topre stem compatible (I don’t want to change sliders)? My wife doesn’t like the black on black as she can’t see the keys as easily as she’d like. Thank you!
@KBDfans has some options, but the 9009 set with legends is sold out at the moment:
https://kbdfans.cn/collections/electrostatic-capacitive-keycaps

Your best bet might be to find another person with an R2 set that wants to swap? I'd swap my white set with you, but I'm based in Australia. Airmail would mean you're without keycaps on that board for up to a week.
 
#43
I just bought some second hand RF hipro keycaps to see how they felt, and also my wife didn't like using the black on black legends.

The hipro keycaps work fine - except for the spacebar and the rest of the bottom row! Apparently the RF 104 hipro must have used a 6u spacebar while this rf tkl pfu uses a 6.25u spacebar. Also, the other bottom row keys on our kbd are smaller than on the 104 hipro. Did you guys know this?
 
#44
I just bought some second hand RF hipro keycaps to see how they felt, and also my wife didn't like using the black on black legends.

The hipro keycaps work fine - except for the spacebar and the rest of the bottom row! Apparently the RF 104 hipro must have used a 6u spacebar while this rf tkl pfu uses a 6.25u spacebar. Also, the other bottom row keys on our kbd are smaller than on the 104 hipro. Did you guys know this?
The bottom row on the Realforce R2 is much more standard now. Very nice to see.
 
#46
I am joining the club :). Just placed the order for black version. Typing on 87U EK edition so also all 45g but not silenced and previous gen.

Love Topre.
 
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#47
Hey, great review of the Realforce R2 TKL. Starts out with succinct bullet points and then goes into a whole lot of detail with pictures. The teardown was a bit beyond me, but appreciated nonetheless. I had been researching buying my first Topre, and reading your review was extremely helpful in giving me background on this technology. Very useful info.

Ending up getting a 55g silent version (R2TLS-US5-IV) after trying the 45g Topre keys on a Leopold FC980C and didn't like the feel. Somehow, I personally prefer the 55g version. Right now, I'm considering a 2nd keyboard to keep at home (using the R2TLS-US5-IV at work).

However, after doing more research on this changing of the actuation point (1.5mm, 2.2mm, and 3mm), I'd like to get your personal take on it after owning and using this keyboard for a while. There really aren't many comments on this online at the moment since this is a (relatively) new feature.

1) Besides your opinion that it's useful, I've only come across a couple of comments on it, with those guys saying that they can't really notice the difference. Is that the case with you?
2) When you said "useful", were you referring to being able to switch keyboard use from work to gaming conveniently?
3) Do you often switch between the settings? If so, which settings do you use and for what purposes?
4) Which setting lets you type the fastest?

Just FYI, I'm not a gamer, just spend a lot of time at work typing.

Look forward to your views, Thanks in advance. (y)
 
#48
Hey, great review of the Realforce R2 TKL. Starts out with succinct bullet points and then goes into a whole lot of detail with pictures. The teardown was a bit beyond me, but appreciated nonetheless. I had been researching buying my first Topre, and reading your review was extremely helpful in giving me background on this technology. Very useful info.

Ending up getting a 55g silent version (R2TLS-US5-IV) after trying the 45g Topre keys on a Leopold FC980C and didn't like the feel. Somehow, I personally prefer the 55g version. Right now, I'm considering a 2nd keyboard to keep at home (using the R2TLS-US5-IV at work).

However, after doing more research on this changing of the actuation point (1.5mm, 2.2mm, and 3mm), I'd like to get your personal take on it after owning and using this keyboard for a while. There really aren't many comments on this online at the moment since this is a (relatively) new feature.

1) Besides your opinion that it's useful, I've only come across a couple of comments on it, with those guys saying that they can't really notice the difference. Is that the case with you?
2) When you said "useful", were you referring to being able to switch keyboard use from work to gaming conveniently?
3) Do you often switch between the settings? If so, which settings do you use and for what purposes?
4) Which setting lets you type the fastest?

Just FYI, I'm not a gamer, just spend a lot of time at work typing.

Look forward to your views, Thanks in advance. (y)
I think if you're the sort of person that tends to pick our subtleties and details, you'll definitely feel a difference (especially between the lowest and highest end).

I still prefer 1.5 or 2.2, with 3 feeling too much for me if I'm lazily typing.

It's not some game-changing feature, but is a nice adjustment option to have since the tech is already there.
 
#49
They're being released globally now, and I think even Massdrop had a run of r2.
You're looking for the carbon fibre on the top right for pfu R2. Don't make that mistake!

Also I heard on the winds that norba case is coming for R2....
 
#50
My R2 has arrived some time ago. I had only brief experience with it so far but long enough to know that it is a step-up to my EK all 45 RealForce. Very happy with the purchase so far. Now that I have found an easy way to get it direct from Japan I am very tempted to also get all 55g silent R2 TKL. As people swear that 55g is the way to go to experience Topre.

R2 silent is smoother to bottom out and the sound is even better. There is more chocolatey feel to typing then on my R1. It might be purely due to silencing part but whatever it is I like it better.

Cheers
 
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